Well then...

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Quick Poll.

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... I don't like where this poll is going. I think a Quake II style quake game on the Doom III engine will be way better than Doom III itself. I love Doom games, but the Quake Universe is much stranger, and interesting I think. Doom is more or less Battle the Space Zombies. Quake has strange technologies, races, and much more varied environments. (Q4 will be more like Q2 than Q3 I've read.) I like the quicker pace too. Doom I suppose has more of a fall out of your chair, because you jumped when the imp ran out from a dark area factor to it. I suppose both are good.

[enderzero]

I know almost nothing about Quake 4. Isn't it being developed by Raven? Or was that some other Doom 3 engine game? If so then definitely Q4. When are each due?

BTW how is/was Unreal 2? Not much talk about it eh? Not quite up to expectations after the first? Man that was a great game when it came out.

"Look at the texture on the wall behind the waterfall!!!" Oh glorious Glide.

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It is most definitely Raven, which is one of my favorite companies. There was an initial burst of information about it, but I haven't heard much since. Every once in a while, some site will have a tiny piece of news on it.

Unreal 2 is totally cool, but no, it just doesn't have that atmospheric, isolated feel that the first one had. I love Unreal. I've only been immersed that much by a few games, and that was one of them. The others would be the System Shock games, and Ultima games. Moreso with the System Shock games though. Unreal 2 is quite beautiful, the game is fun, but it's pretty easy, and there isn't much to it. If it was as large of a game as the first one, and had less interaction with human characters, it would be a lot better. I liked how you felt alone in the first one, and you had to piece things together by journals from dead people, and translated messages. I also liked jumping off the cliff by the waterfall, and feeling a strange sort of virtual impact upon splashdown. Especially when augmented by greenery.

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... edit the WTF face to be just the face without the stupid WTF text.

[enderzero]

Yes, I remember that experience of first playing Unreal very well. Being blown away by the graphics and at the same time being completely wrapped up in the storyline. That is videogaming at its best and it is a rare occurrence. I think that is what they are really going for with Doom3. But I also tend to prefer colorful aliens and futuristic worlds to dark and gloomy bloody monsters.

I am out of touch - what else is in the pipeline in terms of new PC games?

BTW - if someone wants to edit that guy, by all means...but I am not sure how to crop an animated gif.

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... I think Doom III will definitely have that sux0r you in quality. I'm just not a big fan of intestine ripping etc. Though from what I've seen in the alpha, it still isn't quite real enough to bother me. There aren't really too many games I'm totally looking forward to right now. I've got six billion games right now I haven't even played. Jeff picked up Devastation the other day, and I must say it is quite pretty, has really cool weapons, and I'd actually play it if it didn't have the nastiest protection known to man. I would just buy it, but I've bought several games in the last month or two that I haven't had sufficient time to even get into.

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... the poll is shaping up nicely. Just another ummm, SEVERAL MONTHS!!! Damnit!!!!

[ClownA$$]

Give me Train Sim 2 and i'll be happy.

[enderzero]

That's fine - you can have it. But actually I might give Sim City 4 a go. I am sure it would run well on my notebook

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... Win 95 version of Sim City 2000. I think it might be better than 4. I always liked that one. That reminds me, I need to install that on the Legacy Box of Justice. MMMMMM the sweet taste of Justice. You know, it's been about 8 months since I've had Justice Juice. I need to go pick some up.

[Bill Drayton Jr.]

Personally( fuck - like no shit), IMHO( like who the fuck elses opinion is it going to be - IMHO is fucking re-fucking-dundant) I am very much looking forward to DOOM III. I loved the first two doom games - nothing is ever going to come close to the way I felt when I was playing those games.

I know that Wolfenstein came before them but it just didn't have what the Doom games had. I hope the new Doom is along the same lines as the old - however I know that it's not going to be because of the geometrical complexity even with todays fast machines.... oh well... should still be fun.

[enderzero]

That's interesting. See, I had a lot of fun with Doom and Doom2, but I don't think either of them had what Wolfenstein had. I remember walking through the halls of Castle Wolfenstein, peering around corners, and being genuinely scared when Gestapo would jump out. Doom was fun, and great for exploring, but I was never that scared.

Return to Castle Wolfenstein certainly did not capture that feeling. It will be interesting to see of Doom 3 retains the "feeling" of the first two.

[Bill Drayton Jr.]

I didn't really play Wolfenstein that much. In fact I saw it after I had already played Doom so it pretty much ruined the whole experience for me but if I had played Wolfenstien first then I bet I would have probably thought that it was pretty cool.

I did play wolfenstien on the C64 though and that was very very fun and very cool but it was 2D...i mean it was the C64 so what could you expect... it was still a fun fricken game though...

SCHNAPPS!!!!

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... played the C64 games, but they took 49399203994 hours to load, (even with epyx fastload,) then when you died, they loaded for that long all over again. Bleh.... I have them both for the PC now though (yes, the 2d c64 ones,) so I imagine that isn't much of a problem there. The original Wolf 3d was crazy fun. And finding all the secret passages was so fun. Now that I'm a mouser though, I don't know how I ever played it with all keys. Crazy. Doom 3 is not going to be like the first ones, because you don't run as fast in the new one. In the original Dooms, and all of the Quakes you run super fast, which I personally love. I don't care how fast an armor-laden marine SHOULD be able to run, I like 'em fast. Damnit. I think it will be quite fun though.

[enderzero]

Ahhhhh, thats a very good point. Fast frantic action is always better than slow deliberate sneaking around corners. More scary no, but more fun yes! That is why something like Team Fortress (or Team Arena if you will) will always be more fun frantic action (especially when you can yell at each other in the same room) then something like Counterstrike...IMHO.

[McNevin]

I remember walking through the halls of Castle Wolfenstein, peering around corners, and being genuinely scared when Gestapo would jump out.

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Intensify that by about 3 times, for the C64. The fact that you only had 1 guy, and that you had to wait 5584498 minutes if you died, kinda made that one life real important. You would play for almost an hour, 3 levels deep into the castle. One wrong move and its over! Now thats immersion.

Having thoroughly enjoyed wolfenstein 3d, I was eagerly anticipating Return to wolfenstein. I beat it, it was so-so. It lacked the magic of the original. I also was eagerly anticipating Unreal 2, only to discover that it sucked. It had good graphics, dont get me wrong, but it just wasnt fun. First person shooters are a dime a dozen these days (Well actully they are free, for us) , and in order to survive a title has to either bost some unique quality, or be totally imersive!

So let us just hold out hope for quake 4, and maybe they can make me fall out of my chair again.

BTW i liked the Quake series better than Doom one for the record.

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