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Bill Drayton Jr. · Post by **Bill Drayton Jr.** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 6:04 pm

I finally found a use for chopsticks...Using them to eat sushi is the way to go...but that's all their good for!!!!

I've been eating sushi at restaurants lately and today I fell back to eating QFC sushi at home...I missed having the chopsticks that were availble at the restauraunt...I suppose I'm going to have to buy some cool chopsticks now at Uwajiamaya. =Z

R3C · Post by **R3C** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 12:12 am

Always chop with sticks. Teh clumsy forX0r is for teh FooLz0rz!!!!!

R3C · Post by **R3C** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 12:12 am

And such.

Bill Drayton Jr. · Post by **Bill Drayton Jr.** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 3:44 am

We still gotz to go outz to getz some l23c06|\|iz3l2 approved sushi since you think all sushi isn't any good save one.

R3C · Post by **R3C** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 7:23 am

Save about 3-4. It's just that one is my favorite... because... it's the best...

Post by **enderzero** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 9:01 am

I hear the place upsairs next to Fort St. George has good sushi...

Is marine-polis still open? Wow that place was bad.

My friends call me a sushi snob. I just like to think I have refined taste.

l2icks0r, if you really want teh [s]good[/s] best sushi then you should go to Tsukiji. You might have to get up kinda early though.

R3C · Post by **R3C** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 5:29 pm

I luv I Luv Sushi. Very fresh fish, excellent slicers behind the bar, and such.

Yes Marine-Polis is still open unfortunately. I forgot what it was called, and someone from work brought me there. It was not very good at all. I wouldn't eat most of what they had.

Who cares if someone calls you a sushi-snob, at least you're eating good sushi.

spidermonkey · Post by **spidermonkey** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 8:58 pm

Luckily most people I eat sushi with share the same discerning tastes/ sushi snobbery.

The idea has developed where, instead of paying my taxes, I file an extension and go to Tokyo nex month. This would permit the early morning journey to Tsukiji.

Let's just hope I don't get run over by a speedy fish cart...

Bill Drayton Jr. · Post by **Bill Drayton Jr.** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 2:34 pm

SushiSnob3030 you've never actually said why you think I luv sushi is the best. Is it because it's so expensive?

For me good sushi just has to be made from fresh high quality ingredients and recently assembled into a roll. The rice might vary from place to place too but that comes down more to personal taste on what you think is good - and if it tastes good to you then it's good.

So for the worst sushi they have this stuff called Bonzai Sushi at most QFCs and Safeway. I say it's the worst because it's never fresh - it's always old...and hard...and the center ingredients start to bleed into the rice and discolor it. Stale, low quality ingredients make for disgusting sushi - it's horrible..I remember that it was even hard to the touch from sitting so long...this is bad.

R3C · Post by **R3C** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 4:45 pm

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Anyway, I love I Luv Sushi simply because it's the best sushi I've had since I was in Japan. And it's actually a lot less money than the place I like in Tokyo. It's really not that expensive anyway at lunch time. I wouldn't even think of eating grocery store sushi, so I'll disregard that statement. The fish is tip-top there, they have more exotic items that a lot of places around here don't serve all the time. They ALWAYS have Toro, they occasionally get white tuna (and I'm not talking about albacore.) Bright white silky-smooth white tuna. (It melts in your mouth.) They prepare everything quickly, and perfectly. They are friendly, and have nice sake. It's the whole experience of eating there that I enjoy. You've mentioned that you like Todai. I think it's just ok. The fish isn't very fresh. I'm not one for buffets most times. I just don't like the possibility of a million people handling food before I get it etc. etc. I've eaten sushi all over the place around here, a few places in SF, in NY, and in Japan, and I Luv Sushi remains in the top 2 for me. It IS a little expensive at night, but oh well. That's what eating at a nice place entails most times.

Have you eaten at I Luv Sushi?

Bill Drayton Jr. · Post by **Bill Drayton Jr.** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 11:21 pm

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No I have not eaten at I Luv Sushi but would very much like to because the suspense of knowing what you say good sushi is supposed to taste like is eating away at me - from the inside like those things that Carl ate from the South Bronx Parasite Diet(baby!) Will have to eat at ILS sooooonz0r...like tomorrow hehe...

Bill Drayton Jr. · Post by **Bill Drayton Jr.** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 12:52 am

Hey 3\/0 where the hell is I Luv Sushi at???

oh wait I shall ask google...

I Love Sushi
(425) 454-5706
11818 NE 8th St
Bellevue, WA 98005

This must be the place...unless you mispelled the name on purpose?

Ok am going to go here tomorrow...I usually get teh Rainbow roll...there is this cool roll but I think it was made up by the old QFC people called "Kamikazi Roll" but I think it's basically just an Orange roll...Those two are my favorites although I do love me some California or Seattle rolls as well...

So for Sushi I've been to:

Eating Factory (Bellevue) dunno if it still is around
Todai (Redmond)
Ken Zaburo (Redmond)
Riki Riki (Kirkland)
*Unknown* (Kirkland) it's called I love Teriyaki now and no sushi

They were all pretty good although Ken Zaburo was actually a dissapointment - I'd much rather eat the Ex-Olsons QFC sushi than that place...

R3C · Post by **R3C** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 1:31 am

I don't usually eat rolls. I eat sashimi. MMMMMMM!!!! Rolls can be deceiving because of all the rice and other wackiness. The only rolls I usually eat are the ones that consist of seaweed, flying-fish roe, and raw quail egg on the top. Otherwise I eat sashimi. (Which is the best way to taste how fresh the fish is.) What I recommend you try at ILS is the "Sashimi Lunch" and then have a couple of supplementary rolls or something like that. Should only cost you about $20-25 total. Not bad for what you get there.

Oh, and I'm serious, they really did do a google search for my name to see what came up. Luckily only the games I worked on did. I've said some pretty wacky things on here, and since I'm in the process of finding a job right now, it's just one worry I don't need. Thanks for changing it.

Anyway, enjoy your sushi tomorrow, I wish I could join you. It's ssssssooooooo goooooooddddddd!!!!!

We'll have to have it together soon.

spidermonkey · Post by **spidermonkey** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 1:32 am

Good sushi very near 12icks0r house: Kikuya (redmond)
Kind of by the old qfc off Redmond way and next to a store of English groceries or something...
Bad sushi very near 12icks0r house: Todai

R3C · Post by **R3C** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 1:34 am

What are you doing here SpiderMonX0ry?

Just got back from that concert. Anyway, I've had about 9-10 shots of Tequila, so I'm a bit tipsificated. Will call you tomorrow about the PlaNZ0rZ... Over...

Bill Drayton Jr. · Post by **Bill Drayton Jr.** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 3:07 am

I don't usually eat sashimi. I eat rolls. MMMMMMM!!!! Sashimi can be bland because of the lack of all the rice and other wackiness. The only sashimi I usually eat are the ones that consist of crab, salmon, and cooked shrimp on the top. Otherwise I eat rolls. (Which is the best way to taste how all the flavors complement each other.)

Kikuya is .83 miles from my house though...I dunno if I feel like driving that close...it would take too short of a time to get there...

R3C · Post by **R3C** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 10:47 am

I also like Kikuya.

Hamachi sashimi with a touch of Wasabi is a most delightful thing. Also white tuna (when available) is THE most delightful thing. Sashimi has a more subtle flavor. I like certain rolls, but I prefer just the fish. You should definitely have one of the flying-fish roe rolls with a raw quail egg on the top. They are quite good and flavorish. (It's the one with just seaweed, filled with tiny orange eggs. (not the larger salmon eggs.) MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!! I actually have a package of said tiny eggs in my freezer. They're good just to eat spoonfuls

Anyway, get yourself some Hamachi sashimi. It's teh yumZ0rZ!!

R3C · Post by **R3C** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 11:53 pm

Did you go?

Post by **enderzero** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 11:09 am

so my 2 cents of sushi snobbery:

Todai = the old country buffet of Japanese food. It is worth going to if you like to eat a whole lot of generally decent foods other than Sushi. The "sushi" there sucks for sure and for the $35 or whatever you have to pay to get in you can have delicious fish at one of the finer establishments nearby (although you may be less full).

I Love Sushi is definitely one of the best places in teh Seattle area. It is no more expensive than any of the other good sushi places in Seattle which are by definition expensive. That is why I rarely, if ever, eat sushi in America. I feel like I am being robbed. But if I was on the eastside and wanted sushi I would be comfortable going to either I Love Sushi or Kikuya.

For me sushi = nigiri (that's a cut of fish on top of rice), sashimi = sashimi, which can be delicious, but it isn't what I think of when I think of sushi. Rolls = what American's think of as sushi. Sure rolls can be tasty and are more affordable than nigiri, but I chuckle to myself when someone says they like to eat sushi and then goes on to explain their favorite dragon roll, or maui roll, or eye-of-the-tiger roll. It makes sense from an economical point of view to order a roll or two and a few select pieces of nigiri if you are dining in America (btw - I have yet to sushize in Santa Barbara, but it is trendy, more expensive, and I imagine of lesser quality than Seattle - and No! "Sake Bombing" is not big in Japan) but it seems to me that discussing rolls is akin to wine connoisseurâ€™s extolling the finer points of Korbel versus Asti or their favorite brand of Zinfandel.

R3C · Post by **R3C** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 12:14 pm

Well put!

Just swap sashimi in place of nigiri, and my statement matches.

Bill Drayton Jr. · Post by **Bill Drayton Jr.** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 6:45 pm

Rolls aren't sushi? I don't agree. Nigiri or maki are types of sushi - so a roll(maki) is sushi.

I think of sushi the same way I think of Mexican food. Taco Time is not really Mexican food and niether are Jack in the Box tacos nor Taco Bell food but who cares as long as it tastes good to you.

I have not gone yet to Kikuya or ILS yet...been toiling

Bill Drayton Jr. · Post by **Bill Drayton Jr.** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 9:56 pm

Oh and it seems to me that discussing maki versus nigiri is like discussing champagne versus wine...(maki is the champagne)

R3C · Post by **R3C** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 10:18 pm

The only reason I would refer to any one type of sushi over another, is that when I want to go eat sushi, I almost always eat sahimi, (at least as my main portion of the meal.) I wouldn't really call one type "more sushi" than the other. I like sashimi, so when I say I want to go get sushi, that's the picture in my head. Sounds like it's the same case for all of us, regarding the type of sushi that we each enjoy most. I like all types, but sashimi is sushi to me.

Ummm....

So there!

As far as being champagne, wine, etc. I'd say sashimi was in the Dom/Cristal range. (Pure, and delighful.) Nigiri, in the standard Cliquot, Roederer range (Excellent, but not my first choice.) Maki being in the MUMM Napa Cuvee range. (I enjoy it, but if the other two are available, I won't likely have it.) I like them all, but definitely some over others.

I wouldn't compare them to the difference between wine and champagne, just varying degrees of similar things.

Bill Drayton Jr. · Post by **Bill Drayton Jr.** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 11:47 pm

Ender likes nigiri best, I like maki best, and you like sashimi best - except sashimi by itself technically isn't sushi...sashimi is an ingredient that can be used in nigiri or maki along with the rice so there is more to it just like there is more to champagne than there is to wine. Champagne is a more complex flavor because it starts out being made from wine and of course is carbonated plus there are more steps to making champagne than wine. The same is true for making maki - there are more steps to making it than nigiri or sashimi. This is where my comparison came from - I should have explained it more in the first post except I thought it was obvious.

Post by **enderzero** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 12:16 am

I think it might be more apt to say that if nigiri is champagne then bonanza rolls and cajun rolls and jelly rolls, etc. are "sparkling white wine." They may be tasty but they are certainly not authentic.

Bill Drayton Jr. · Post by **Bill Drayton Jr.** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 1:05 am

Yeah, I totally agree - except that's not what I'm saying...

R3C · Post by **R3C** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 7:49 am

It doesn't matter if sashimi is used in the making of other sushi items. It's still available at the sushi bar, and if it is a component, and served, then it's sushi enough. Basically, sushi in its purest form. Once doesn't say, "I'm going out for sashimi" as much as " I'm going out for sushi" even if sashimi is the intended purchase.

I'm sure I've said "I'm going out for sashimi" but it's still not as common.

Also, there are many steps and ingredients to making normal wine, possibly more than champagne. Black cherries, plums, grapes, spices, barrel type, etc. etc. etc. There really aren't many reds that are made from purely one ingredient. I'd argue that reds are a more complex taste than champagne. Champagne is simple and refined. Bubbles don't add to the flavor, they are part of the texture. Sashimi has varying texture as well, which is why it's good to get a sashimi plate. (Varying tastes and textures.) I still think you should either pick wine OR champagne for comparison, not from one to the other.

R3C · Post by **R3C** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 7:52 am

I'll argue that one until the cows come home, and then go back out again, since wine and sushi are two of my largest areas of exploration and discerning taste.

Oh, speaking of sushi places, Sushi-Man in Issaquah is EXTREMELY GOOD, but they are fairly ridiculously priced. I've spent way too much money there. I've never been disappointed in the food, even for the price, but it is overpriced in general. I'd recommend ILS over them, purely for cost reasons.

Bill Drayton Jr. · Post by **Bill Drayton Jr.** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:10 am

It DOES matter if sashimi is used in the making of REAL sushi - real sushi is in fact not exclusively sashimi so it cannot ever be real sushi by itself by definition. I prefer using actual real world terminology instead of made up personal definitions - there has to be order damnit!

I like sashimi, sashimi is good - but it's not enough for me on it's own and never will be. I'll always prefer the more complex taste of sashimi plus additional ingredients. It's like saying cheese by itself is superior to anything made with cheese plus other ingredients - cheese plus other ingredients is always going to be more interesting because of the complexity of the flavor...unless you are a mouse or something...

wait a minute...I just realized something - I've had a bit to drink tonight, I'm posting under false pretense damnit!!!!

N3ur0n0saurusl2exs0r!!! · Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:20 am

I totally agree! There is no way I would ever think sashimi alone is sushi - that would be like saying vinegarized rice alone is sushi...I mean rice is good and all but come on!

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