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08/03/04

Over.

Glad that's over.

So it’s been moved up from "when it's done" to august 3rd eh?

Well thats good news.

It moved from "When it's done" to "Officially this summer" to "Officially August 3rd." WORD. I had hoped the EB dates would be right and it would be out 7/20, but 8/3 is good enough for me. The only game I'd be looking forward to more would be a third System Shock game. Should be quite cool.

I'd actually consider buying that game if it were good...even as low as fundage is these days! Is there single player?

It's primarily single player. It has limited multiplayer like the old doom games. Which makes it a prime candidate for Dustin's Favorite Modern PC Game. There are not enough single player games available these days.

definitely have to get it then...

Are you coming over this evening? Choki will be over. We're making food, playing games, etc.

I guess I should be more excited about doom 3, but I'm just not. I was never a fan of the ID style (hell, demons, unholy heavy metal space monster), so maybe that has alot to do with it. I just had a peek at a tech video for the unreal 3 engine, and it looks amazing ("virtual" displacement mapping, really good pixel shaders, self shadow casting, soft "real" shadowing, projector lighting, and impressive polygon counts). have a peek for yourself: torrent of the vid here

Don't you want to kill the doers of teh eval deedz!??!?!

Ohhh I think Doom 3 will be well worth playing. But then again I have always been a fan of the games. Did you not like the Quake series either? Regardless of the plot and characters, id has a pretty damn good track record when it comes to making freakin fun games. The seem to possess an ability to perfectly balance level exploration and all out monster blasting.

The play mechanics in their games are always perfect. From multiplayer balancing, to the efficiency of the engine. The levels are always perfectly balanced. I've never logged as many hours on any game as I have with Quake 3. I love the ability to start and Id game up, get totally immersed in it in just a few minutes, play for a bit, and then stop. The immediacy is so nice. It's not something I have to get in for several hours at a time, but I can easily spend hours playing it. What about the Wolfenstein games? They don't advocate demons.

I'm not into horror themed anything, but I absolutely love Id games. Id is one of the few companies that doesn't bow to a publisher. They take as long as they want, they polish their games until they are perfect. I like Unreal games, but they are nowhere near as good (even just in level of quality) as Id games.

I think the only game that's going to give D3 any competition is HL2. I'll buy both.

I'm looking forward to Quake 4 more than Doom 3, but D3 will be amazing. A lot of people are getting jaded or pretending to be, since it's been in production so long. I've seen comments that say, it's taking so long to get out, that it will never live up to expectations. I think those people are full of crap. The ones who are even more full of crap are the ones that say they won't buy it, because HL2 is better. I bet that as soon as these people see it, and play it for a second they'll change their mind.

Anyway, yeah D3 will be cool.

can't wait for Dooms day...

J3RK wrote:The play mechanics in their games are always perfect. From multiplayer balancing, to the efficiency of the engine. The levels are always perfectly balanced. I've never logged as many hours on any game as I have with Quake 3.

Agreed. Q3 is one of the best multiplayer games ever. A good portion of my college tuition went towards my time spent in the comp lab getting multiplayer Q3 on, and my first company paid me loads of money to play Q3 as well (although most of that time was for Urban Combat). I guess after seeing HL2 with valves visual style, and stuff like that Unreal 3 engine demo, that Doom look isn't as pretty. Either way, youre probably right... when D3 hits, it will most surely have that signature ID level of quality.

It doesn't look as pretty, level-wise. It's on a big ugly clunky human metal space-station on mars. It's cold, dark, and scary. Half-Life 2 is a good portion outside in beautifully wrecked streets, and industrial wastelands. There's more scenic value. I think D3 was meant to give you a claustrophobic feeling. The feeling that you're trapped in this nasty metal tank on a nasty red planet. I think the overall visual impact will not be better one way or the other. Just different. Which is why I want both.

I'm going to pre-order today. Wooooo!!! Must have it on time. Damn right... Over... Who else is going to buy this right away. I'll want to do some MPing with it.

You could probably convince me some time to do that...

Will we need a serial cable?

You'll need a gameboy uplink cable.

Done, Done, and Done. Seth, Choki, and I have pre-ordered from EB Games. We even get the stupid Pink Demon toy with it

Well you have fun with your "paying for a game" tactic. I'll just go ahead and be old fashioned and download it for free.

Just try and download that pink demon toy for free. Just try it!
I don't advocate demons...

Sorry, but I have legal copies of all Id and Raven games. They are companies that have my full support. If there was ever an example of a company that deserves money for their work, it's Id. I still download a ton of stuff, but some things are much cooler with all their bits and pieces.

Like Dungeon Siege with totally useless cloth map.

Exactly. For some reason a cloth map, or a box that I will throw away after five minutes is actually appealing to me. I don't know why. It seems rather silly, but oh well. I also like to have a jewel case with proper cover art to go with my other games.

Oh, while I'm on the subject of legal Id games, did I let anyone borrow my Wolfenstein GOTY Edition discs? For some reason I don't remember seeing them in my case the last time I looked. I'm going to have to execute a house-wide search for them, because it sounds like fun all of a sudden.

Anyway, you have fun hunting down working keys, and fighting with disc protection and burning, or updating your cracks to match your patches, while I'm busy playing.

(Though admittedly I will crack mine too, so I don't have to have the disc in the drive.)

[HEE HEE HEE]

Hey McNevin, oh copier of all things. Will you be purchasing or dling D3? Just curious, as we have more of a history with the product. (Though I guess we have more of a history of copying it too) [HEE HEE HEE]

Uhhh, that really isn't the most compelling arguement...



Just to be perfectly clear, I have no problem with you buying the game. We clear on that?

Did McNevin or I tell you that we called Atari and they gave us a CD-Key for UT2004 , ahem, over the telephone?

Really?!?!? What did you guys say? Cool! You know, what it really comes down to, is that I don't have time to be a pirate anymore. Burning discs, mounting ISOs, updating burning software, downloading countless discs and tracking down missing ones. Waiting for requests. I just don't have the time and energy to do it. Especially when I can just go to a store on my lunch break, and pick it up. As soon as I get home it's ready to go. Or better yet, pre-order the games that I know I want. Then they are delivered to me when everyone else is scrambling to find it in stock, or to find a place to download it. It's just easier this way. Really though, I'd still be supporting Id and Raven, even if I still downloaded most of my games. My argument was the (fake french) "Je ne sais qua" argument. I can't exactly explain it, but buying a game, opening a box, spreading all manner of unimportant stuff around, provides some tactile and aesthetic enjoyment that one doesn't get from downloading, burning, etc. It's fun. It reminds me of when I used to spend a week talking my mom and dad into buying me the latest Psygnosis game for my Amiga. We'd drive down to Software Etc. buy the game, and all the way home I'd be looking at the manual (however useless it was,) regarding the Roger Dean artwork all over the box. Looking at the screenshots in anticpation of actually playing the game. I appreciated it that much more when I actually put the disk in and started playing. I got copies of games from Seth and Allen all the time, but even though I enjoyed the games as much, the whole experience was not there.

Take my MAME collection for example. I have thousands and thousands of games. I don't play most of them, I don't appreciate most of them. They're there, but there isn't a unique event attached to many of them, that makes me want to play it more, remember it more etc.

I remember shortly after I bought my first 1x Mitsumi CDROM. My mom took McNevin and I to buy The 7th Guest. After tweaking my CD ROM cache settings (DOS drivers and config entries) we got it running smoothly. That was a fun day, and going an getting the $65 game was a big part of that.

Can't say that I haven't had such experiences copying, just not on the same level. I remember some of my copying parties, or trips to Allen's to get more C64 games quite well, and attach a similar feeling to a lot of my C64 and Amiga games, but not on the same order of magnitude.

Playing games is obviously the main source of fun.
Buying games is fun.
Downloading games is not fun.

I also don't pay for games that aren't good, so there is the support my favorite companies that support my game habbits aspect as well.

Anyway, we bought Doom 3, and I don't think any of us regret it.

I fully appreciate your unpaid-for Great 1000 Miles Rally version B. But you're right; I would appreciate it more if you bought the original box for me to play and put quarters into....

I'd still disable the coin slots. Or maybe I'd just route the coin slot to the return, so you could still put them in, but they'd come right back.

Remember when we got Leander? We played it non-stop for weeks. That was one of my most exciting game purchases ever. I don't think I've wanted a game that bad since.