The most important week of our lives

ed9k · Post by **ed9k** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 7:23 am

Are we dumb enough to go through this for another 4 years? I can't believe how things are looking......

God help us all.

Megatron · Post by **Megatron** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 8:56 am

It is done. GW 2005-2009. It's really interesting to see that most of the border states on the outside of the nation (Washing, Oregeon, Cali, NY, Vermont, Maine, Mass, etc.) voted Kerry.

R3C · Post by **R3C** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 9:09 am

Yeah, the only states that matter. Fuck all that middle/southern nonsense. Those are the places that either benefit financially from him being there, or a dumb enough to believe everything he says. I wish we could just take a big pair of scissors and slice the mid-section of the US out, and set it afloat somewhere in the arctic ocean. MotherFuxler!

dirtyprettylittlething · Wed Nov 03, 2004 9:10 am

How are you feeling right now Beeeph?

Beeeph · Post by **Beeeph** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 9:25 am

I regret voting for Bush. Now I have to listen to the liberals whine and cry for another four years. I should have voted for Kerry. But on the bright side, at least we don't have the most irresolute person on the planet running our country.

dirtyprettylittlething · Wed Nov 03, 2004 9:31 am

To be honest, if people hated Bush so much, then why didn't Kerry win? Should have been a walk in the park.

Beeeph, if you lived close by, I'd buy you a drink or two or three.....

R3C · Post by **R3C** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 10:03 am

Look at where all the people are from that voted for him. Half the states have the lowest education ratings, the rest are like Texas, where they benefit while he's in office.

All the states with educated, thinking people, voted for Kerry. We're just outnumbered by the stupids. That's all.

R3C · Post by **R3C** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 10:04 am

I can't classify myself as being with either party really. I'm on a per-person basis. I liked George Bush Sr. He did a fairly good job. Clinton was really the best president in recent history. The country was doing quite well with him in office. They should have extended the presidency to 32 years just while he was in office.

danz · Post by **danz** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 10:08 am

on the bright side, the voter turnout was very good this year...almost 60%, which is the highest level in nearly 40years...

dirtyprettylittlething · Wed Nov 03, 2004 10:18 am

"Look at where all the people are from that voted for him. Half the states have the lowest education ratings, the rest are like Texas, where they benefit while he's in office.

All the states with educated, thinking people, voted for Kerry. We're just outnumbered by the stupids. That's all."

God, I needed that. My sides hurt....

Post by **enderzero** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:30 pm

J3RK wrote:Look at where all the people are from that voted for him. Half the states have the lowest education ratings, the rest are like Texas, where they benefit while he's in office.

All the states with educated, thinking people, voted for Kerry. We're just outnumbered by the stupids. That's all.

Very well said. It seems pretty obvious that this is the case here.

I spent all night glued to MSNBC and I have got to admit that for a mainstream news source they were very impressive. Chris Matthews is an excellent anchor, never letting any biases show. Joe Scarborough, while a former republican congressman, is very moderate and was right on the money with his analyses. Pat Buchanan is obviously one of the most conservative legislators our country has ever seen but he comes from a completely different conservative camp than Bush. He was extremely logical and fair in his commentary. And Ron Regan Jr. is a very personable and quite knowledgeable personality as well. You add to that team people like Joe Trippi (Dean's campaign coordinator and now MSNBC's "blogger-in-chief"), the always funny Keith Olbermann, and the power of the NBC news bureau and you have what seems to be the best mass media news channel around. I was quite impressed with their level of reporting.

danz wrote:on the bright side, the voter turnout was very good this year...almost 60%, which is the highest level in nearly 40years...

Reports that I have seen have said that the turnout, while high for an election, were far below the numbers that were being projected. This was a high turnout election, but not the voter revolution that some have been predicting. This is especially true among young people. Apparently the 18-29 voter just didn't pull the weight that was being hoped for. One statistic I saw showed that 17% of the vote came from 18-29 year olds in 2000. The percentage of voters in that age group for 2004? 17%. That was the vote that Kerry was counting on to push him over the top. It didn't come through, and now we get the punishment.

dirtyprettylittlething wrote:LOL - God, I needed that. My sides hurt....

While beeeph just doesn't care, it has been pretty obvious to me for a while that you are simply one of the most misinformed people I know.

Evil Dan · Post by **Evil Dan** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:36 pm

4 more years? Why?

danz · Post by **danz** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:45 pm

All the states with educated, thinking people, voted for Kerry. We're just outnumbered by the stupids. That's all

Actually...I think that is a very uneducuated, and quite frankly, stupid, comment...

I voted for Kerry, but I am not arrogant enough to suggest that Bush supporters are overwhelmingly retarted. I know plenty of incredibly bright and intelligent people that support Bush. And although I do not have any statistics of any sort to bck this up, I would imagine that the population of people that actually do vote are probably better educated than those who don't...

let's be realistic...

ed9k · Post by **ed9k** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:48 pm

I am embarrassed and ashamed that we did this again. I voted for Kerry-I want to publicly apologize to the world for our country right now.

I am sick at being an American right now.

We elected a
Stupid: "They misunderestimated me." "Is Our Children Learning" Drink driving: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/bushdui1.html
Lying: http://www.house.gov/appropriations_dem ... onfilm.htm
Buffoon to be the world's most powerful leader.

I guess we just shouldn't expect so much out of our country here where we're thinking.

ed9k · Post by **ed9k** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:49 pm

Let me just follow that up by saying that Ender's comment about how Kerry was no Ghandi hit the nail on the head-at least we would have shown the world that we were trying to make things better.....

On with the Wal-Mart-ization of the world!

R3C · Post by **R3C** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 1:05 pm

Actually...I think that is a very uneducuated, and quite frankly, stupid, comment...

No, it isn't. There are obviously those who are both intelligent, and Bush supporters. I wasn't discounting that at all. Look at Texas. The people who vote for Bush in a place like Texas, do so, because it benefits them, and it sits well with a generalized mindset in that area.

Now try and tell me that all the unedumicated folk down in the deep south didn't purely vote for him based on a good brainwashing. Making them think that it's 100% certain that Kerry is just going to let the country go to the terrorists, etc. The Bush campaign was based mostly on fear, and the weak of mind will eat that up.

Don't take this statement to mean that all in the deep south are stupid, there are plenty of stupid people everywhere to go around, but you have to admit that there are a lot of them down there. (whether stupid or ignorant doesn't really matter for the purposes of this conversation/theory.)

The whole rest of the world can't be wrong. The rest of the world more or less hates us right now. Americans aren't treated too well in Europe right now. There was always a certain European snobbery with Americans before (take the French for example,) but I know some nice people who were just plain mistreated there, because they are American. (In Italy of all places.) Nobody likes us, and it's because we're even more of a bully-nation than we have been in quite some time. It's only going to get worse.

The mid-section of America is where most of Bush supporters seem to be located. It's also those places that I refuse to travel because of a lack of understanding, a lack of acceptance, and a lot of hate-related crimes against many groups of people occur. Look at the predominantly Kerry states. New England, West Coast etc. Some of the larger cultural centers of our country.

Just because I didn't want to specify and clarify my statement down to the letter in my last post didn't mean it wasn't true in a very general sense.

R3C · Post by **R3C** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 1:11 pm

I like the term Walmartization.

Very nice!

R3C · Post by **R3C** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 1:23 pm

Why don't we also factor in where the greatest concentration of groups like neo-nazi, kkk, and other wonderful associations of people are. Yes, they are more or less everywhere, but let's think real hard where most of them originated, and where they are most powerful today. The mid-west and deep south, in my view are just very unpleasant to think about. I know there are good, and very intelligent people coming out of those areas, and there are the exact opposite in the places that I like, but let's just base it all on numbers for my purposes.

R3C · Post by **R3C** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 1:27 pm

Let's also just assume, just for fun, that anyone with a general Lee confederate flag either on their premises or motor vehicle most likely voted for Bush.

R3C · Post by **R3C** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 1:40 pm

I'm not one who is totally into politics, though I do keep informed enough to make sure that I know what sounds reasonable and what doesn't. I usually don't have strong feelings one way or another for a given candidate. I just go with the one that sounds less bad to me. Well this time, I REALLY didn't want Bush to win. Not because he's a republican, but because he's a greedy, underhanded, dishonest, war/fearmongering little man. Things haven't really ever been as bad as they have been the last four years in my lifetime. Sure there were some messes before my time, but even Reagan did a much better job than GW. I thought George senior wasn't too bad either.

GW=YuX0r=CEO of Walmart.

I'll give him one thing, he sure can talk people into things. Nice skill, just too bad he doesn't use it to do good things. Here comes another four years of environmental destruction. How long do we think we can live, while destroying the very things that keep us alive. Our space program sure isn't up to the task of finding us a new place to live when we've finally used up everything we have here.

Megatron · Post by **Megatron** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 2:14 pm

J3RK wrote:Let's also just assume, just for fun, that anyone with a general Lee confederate flag either on their premises or motor vehicle most likely voted for Bush.

Guarenteed.

Thats why he didn't renew the ban on assault weapons. The bumpkins love him now.

Not that they didn't before...they can't relate to someone like Kerry.

dirtyprettylittlething · Wed Nov 03, 2004 2:49 pm

While beeeph just doesn't care, it has been pretty obvious to me for a while that you are simply one of the most misinformed people I know

How so Ryland? That's a bit rich of you to say; you give no rational reason to throw out a statement. Just making a personal attack. I thought the remark was funny- not bad or good, it was funny and it made me laugh.

But not as much as your statement made me laugh.

Megatron · Post by **Megatron** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 3:01 pm

Everyone can relax now, it's a sensative time. Let's not let Bush's relection turn us on eachother just yet.

This is George's chance to change the mistakes he has obviously made but won't 'fess up to. Nowadays, within republican administrations it is not OK for a president to apologize to the public. They consider it a sign of weakness. I guess the way he must apologize is to make things right. Hes got 4 years to fix this shit.

Goemon · Post by **Goemon** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 3:11 pm

snowboard_freak · Post by **snowboard_freak** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 3:21 pm

Great. First us Australian's go and vote John bloody Howard back in and America votes Bush back in!

I think i'll pack up my belonging's and piss off to Antartica for the next 4 years. Anyone want to join me?

mistasparkle* · Post by mistasparkle* » Wed Nov 03, 2004 3:23 pm

This boingboing post summing up the results, is a good read: Link

8:15am: Four more years of a nation led by criminals. I was making coffee with one eye on CNN when the news broke, and I called my dad, a man who's spent many years fighting for good things, sometimes at great personal cost.

"Get over it," he said, "The way you feel now is exactly how I felt when Nixon won a second term -- crushed. I just couldn't believe America was that stupid. But remember what happened to Nixon that term."

"Change comes from discontent," he said. "And right now, there's a lot of discontent."

I finish pouring my coffee, and agree when my dad says what we're faced with right now is considerably more frightening than Nixon. BB pal Jim Graham IMs a few minutes later: "Yeah, and Karl Rove makes Lee Atwater look like a choir boy."

read more...

Post by **enderzero** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 7:23 pm

Hot topic! (...bad image)

Great to see this political side of you J3RK! I wasn't aware you were so opinionated (and dead-on, imho) on this.

I have to disagree with you Danz and echo what J3RK is saying. The majority of people that voted for Bush voted for one of 2 reasons. A small minority voted for him for purely selfish reasons. These reasons would usually involve money. Maybe they favored the tax cuts or maybe they work for defense contractors. Regardless, Bush means more money in their pocket and they are willing to make America look bad if it makes them richer.

Call them what you want, but the second group are people that are stupid. Maybe they are ignorant. Maybe they are foolish to be decieved. Maybe they are hereditarily conservative. Maybe they are misinformed. Maybe they are easily lead (think flock). By whatever name you give them, these are the stupid people that thought the country, and the world, would be better if Bush remained president for 4 more years. Are all the people in those red states stupid or selfish? Hell no! Between 24% (Utah) and 49% (Ohio, New Mexico) of voters in those states are not (more numbers? see electoral-vote). And guess what, there are a lot of stupid and greedy people in the blue states too... just not the majority of voters.

There is one 3rd (they're used to that) tiny category. Voters that are so fed up with the system of a giant douche versus a turd sandwich that they voted for another guy completely.

I challenge you to present a voter profile that doesn't fit these three categories. I'm not saying you can't, but I cannot think of one.

mistasparkle* · Post by mistasparkle* » Wed Nov 03, 2004 7:28 pm

from the onion:

Nader Supporters Blame Electoral Defeat On Bush, Kerry
WASHINGTON, DCâ€”Supporters of presidential candidate Ralph Nader blamed his defeat Tuesday on George W. Bush and John Kerry, claiming that the two candidates "ate up" his share of the electoral votes. "This election was stolen out from under Mr. Nader by Bush and Kerry, who diverted his votes to the right and the left," Nader campaign manager Theresa Amato said. "It's an outrage. If Nader were the only candidate, he would be president right now." In his concession speech, Nader characterized Bush and Kerry as spoilers.

mistasparkle* · Post by mistasparkle* » Wed Nov 03, 2004 7:31 pm

p.s. - bow down to our new stupid/selfish christian overlords.

Bill Drayton Jr. · Post by **Bill Drayton Jr.** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 7:40 pm

our amazing vice president Richard B. Cheney!!!

Having Dick around for another four years will be just grand don't you think? I mean just look at all he as done for our country!

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